To Be or Not to Be a Hall of Famer? For Eli, that is the Question.

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By MarkRFox

New Yorkers will automatically tell you yes, but many other people still wonder whether or not Eli is Hall worthy.
New Yorkers will automatically tell you yes, but many other people still wonder whether or not Eli is Hall worthy.

Introduction

To be or not to be a Hall of Famer, that is the question? For Eli, the Jury is still out. Of course, New York fans will scream high and mighty that he should be. However, lets take a look at the actual facts and history of other potential and actual Hall of Fame players and coaches to see whether or not simply winning two Lombardi Trophies secures one a guaranteed spot in Canton.

Arguments Against

There are actually several arguments against him becoming a Hall of Famer. These include a long list of more deserving candidates ahead of him who have yet to get in. As Tom Jackson said, "I don't know what the process is? I don't pretend to know, but when a guy like Bill Parcells or Chris Carter doesn't make it, there is something wrong with the process!" Oh how right you are Tom, how right you are!

Let's look no further than a former New York Giants head coach with two Super Bowls; Bill Parcells. Parcells coached the Giants from 1983 until just after the Super Bowl XXV. During his tenure as head coach he took home 4 division titles, only had two losing seasons, and won two Super Bowls. Additionally, he took home a third AFC championship in New England and made mutliple playoff appearances with both the Patriots and the New York Jets, where he won several playoff games and had multiple winning seasons. 2 Super Bowls and 3 AFC championships...automatic Hall of Famer right? Wrong!

This past week Parcells was snubbed along with Chris Carter who although he never got a ring, is second in the NFL in all time touchdowns with 130 scores. Tim Brown was also snubbed. Brown had 99 career scores and is 4th on the all time list. You would think stats like that would insure you a bust in Canton...nope! Alright, Parcells was a coach and the other two never got a ring. I get it, but wait are there others with two rings that haven't gotten in? There sure are....

Jim Plunkett was a quarterback who won two Super Bowls for the Oakland Raiders in the 1970s. The only Hall he is in is the College Hall of Fame. What two Super Bowl victories and no bust in Canton you are saying...YUP! So, don't automatically assume that just because Eli has two rings that he will automatcally be in in Canton after his playing days are over. Peyton, surely will, but Eli..well we will have to wait and see?

Another argument against Eli being inducted to the Hall of Fame is his career passing completion percentages. Fifty-eight percent is alright, but in a league designed to help the offenses and especially the quarterback, it is not that impressive.

But, Eli owns a bunch of NFL records doesn't he? The answer is NO. Eli doesn't even own one record. Not a single one.

But, he always seems to throw for over 4,000 yards. Actually, he has only done this 3 times in his career. Additionally, he has only averaged more than 300 yards per game over the course of a season just once! Even further he has only thrown over 30 touchdowns one time in his career. What only once? Yup!

These aren't exactly stand out number. When one thinks of the Hall of Fame one thinks of amazing statistics combined with titles. Even though this is not actually true, this is the perception.

What is true is that although he has two titles, he has only thrown 185 touchdowns to 129 interceptions. Plunkett, who also has two titles, had an unimpressive stat line in these areas as well. Just some things to ponder, when considering the basic facts.


Arguments For

He is a Manning. Therefore, he automatically deserves to be. Even though, his father is not, both brothers surely will be. They are loved by both the Hall of Fame voters and the NFL itself. They are promoted by the NFL as some of the faces of the league. Therefore, regardless of stats, they will both be in the Hall someday.

He has two Super Bowl titles. There are multiple players in the Hall both with and without titles, and Eli was a part of Super Bowl and thus NFL history when he upset the 18-0 Patriots in one of the most replayed plays in NFL history, when he escaped Patriots defensive lineman Jarvis Green and Richard Seymour in Super Bowl XLII. There is no way the NFL lets the play of the decade go without having at least one Hall of Famer.

He has been a durable quarterback. He has started every game he has had the opportunity to. Since 2005, after his rookie year, he has started every game for the Giants. Not an easy feat considering he playes in the NFC east, a tough division.


Conclusion

At first glance, my gut feeling would have said yes to the question of whether he is a Hall of Fame quarterback. However, after doing some historical research on both players and coaches with multiple rings, it doesn't automatically guarantee you a spot in Canton. Further, after looking at his career stats, they are not too impressive either. Additionally, he holds not one NFL all time record in any category. Therefore, my answer to this question in a resounding NO! Eli Manning has yet to prove he is Hall worthy. I know, this will make Giants fans all rabid and put their panties in a bunch, but the the facts and history show, he truly could not be.

Now Giants fans...let's ignore the facts...and bring on the hate mail!!! Eli, still has a lot to prove.

Based on the information written in the article, do you think Eli Manning is HOF material?

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KDF Level 3 Commenter 3 months ago

Manning gets my vote. Beat Brady twice! YESS

dave 3 months ago

actually he holds the record for most 4th quarter touchdown passes, and if im not mistaken most playoff road wins

dave 3 months ago

maybe want to do some fact checking before writing this article.

dave 3 months ago

and one more thing, u write an article about Tom Brady breaking the record for more consecutive completions, but didnt Eli break the record for 9 straight completions to start a super bowl? the more i check the more holes i find in ur story. not worthy of a read if u ask me.

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MarkRFox Hub Author 3 months ago

@ Dave 9...they don't recognize the most road playoff wins as an NFL record only playoff victories..and they only record most touchdowns in a single quarter..not each quarter..so those are bogus...also they don't record how many completions start a game...that is also ridiculous..next you are going to tell me that he has the most completions of any quarterback between the 2:38 mark and the 5;37 mark of the game...how bunk...sorry man but Joe had the record for most consecutive completions with 13 ..and Brady broke it with 16...the most touchdowns thrown in a game in 1 quarter is 5...Eli is no where near any of those...nor is he anywhere near the most playoff victories which is owned by Joe and Tom...nice try though...you are clearly just a Giants homer swingin on Eli's nutz.

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Daniel Brommer 3 months ago

He's far too inconsistent. I mean if he makes the Hall of Fame then Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson better make it. I realize Eli has played admirably in both of his Super Bowls and he still probably has a good 7 or 8 years left in the tank, but his career right now, I would have to agree with you, he doesn't deserve it yet.

Devin77 3 months ago

Whoever says Eli shouldn't make hall of fame is crazy. Look up his stats. I'm not saying this because I'm a die hard fan, I'm saying this because of the facts. Great QB and great potential. If he doesn't make it, someone is being payed off. End of story.

Bill Bates 3 months ago

I most definitely would like to see Eli Manning in the NFL's Canton Hall of Fame. The like the movie 'Fame's' hit song, 'Fame, I'm Gonna Maket It To Heaven', for Eli, it should be 'Fame, Eli he made it to Canton!'

smoothjazzandmore 3 months ago

"Broadway Joe" is in the Hall because of the significance of his victory. If Joe Namath is in the Hall, then Eli's a lock!

House 3 months ago

This is a horrible article. guys with rings haven't gotten in. Guys with numbers haven't gotten in. But Eli doesn't just have rings. He has two super bowl mvps. And he may not have great career numbers....yet. He just turned 30. Not old, at all. With 5 very, very average seasons, he'll be top 10 in yards and mvps. If you take his numbers from the last 3 years and stretch them over the next 5 years, he'll be 7th in both. If he goes Brett Favre on us and doesn't miss a game til he's 40, he's an all time great. Do some fucking math, not broken down retarded ass pieces of an argument.

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MarkRFox Hub Author 3 months ago

@house..your argument has more holes in it than a homeless guys underwear..I think you bleed so much blue all the oxygen has gone out from your brain..for the rest of us who use facts to back our arguments he is clearly not...your if if if arguments are too ridiculous..I mean if Eli had two breasts and a hole he would be a b...well never mind he already is...his stats are not good at all...When Brady won two Super Bowls and 2 MVPs he was not Hall worthy..why? Because his stats were as bad as Mannings are now..hell actually Mannings are even worse..it wasn't until Brady started breaking all kinds of league records and passing greats like Joe and Marino..and winning another super bowl along with racking up 3 more AFC championships that he became a lock..your if he plays till he's 40 like Farve comments well that is even more hilarious..this is the NFL bud..one wrong move and your career is over...just ask Peyton about that one..and your statements about if you take his last 4 years and extrapolate even more so..it doesnt work like that..your career stats are your career stats from start to finish..you dont get to erase years for Hall consideration..now he may be some day but he is not right now..plain and simple..yours happened to be the retarded ass pieces of an argument..mine was based on history and facts..if Parcells, Carter, and Plunkett are not in..Manning definitely is not Hall worthy now! PERIOD

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Historicus 3 months ago

The picks for HOF are highly subjective. AND because of that Eli should be considered if he leads NY to another Super Bowl (they need not win it).

His performance in the two runs to the Bowls was superb. His leadership and icy water in the veins attitude in both fourth quarters of both Bowls is astonishing.

I'm a die hard Gman. One more Bowl and he should be in.

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MarkRFox Hub Author 3 months ago

Thanks Historicus. Glad you enjoyed the article. It was based on history and the truth about the NFL HOF, it is subjective.

Joe Mama 3 months ago

He ain't even done yet so who cares! LOL keep em coming ELI "MONEY" MANNING

Aj 3 months ago

And my guess here is you are a Pat's fan?

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MarkRFox Hub Author 3 months ago

I'm a football fan first and foremost. Brady wasn't even close to Hall of Fame material after he won his first two Super Bowls with Super Bowl MVPs. His stats at the time, like Eli's stunk.

Dan 3 months ago

We shouldn't even be having this conversation yet since he has so many years left to play, hopefully (knock on wood). But he does own a couple records such as the most 4th quarter td's with 15 in a season breaking Johnny Unitas and big brother Peytons 14. And he also holds the most consecutive passes (9) to start a Super Bowl game. As a Giants fan, and fan of his I don't know if he will be a hall of famer someday but I don't think he should get in before greats like Cris Carter or Bill Parcells. I'm guessing though they will be in long before Eli even gets consideration. oh and one more thing, GO GIANTS!!!

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MarkRFox Hub Author 3 months ago

Those don't really count. The NFL counts most touchdowns in a quarter not each quarter. Not to mention they count most consecutive passes in a Super Bowl not to start a Super Bowl. I already heard this nonsense from another Giants fan. My response is the same, next you are going to tell me he holds the most consecutive passes between the 2:37 mark and the 6:42 mark of the 2nd quarter or he holds the most touchdowns in every other game between weeks 4 and 6. That is ridiculous. Brady holds the Super Bowl consecutive completions record and he took it from Joe! Eli has no meaningful records like Brady and Brady was not a Hall of Famer when he had what Eli does now, a 2-0 mark in the Super Bowl with 2 SB MVPs....Eli is not a HOFer, he holds no regular season marks recognized by the NFL and he has only thrown over 30 TDs once in his whole career. His stats are pedestrian at best.

NYMIDGETSHATER 3 months ago

Eli is a joke! Only Giants fans think this guy is good..he may have won two Super Bowls but it's not like he is a great quarterback or anything. His stats suck!

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Mageplasm 2 months ago

I think Eli deserves a spot in the Hall of Fame. His career stats may say he's not deserving, but the way he led his team to two Super Bowls is beyond amazing, especially this season. Also, he actually performed very well during the 2011-2012 NFL season, as well. He almost broke Dan Marino's record of most passing yards in a season. Rings don't lie. Eli is great.

Angry Pats Fan 2 months ago

If they're not records; then why do they call them NFL records? what's the point... They exist. End of story.

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MarkRFox Hub Author 2 months ago

I don't which supposed records you are talking about?

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